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November 17th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Ben,
Its not a religion. It is a spiritual fellowship that was set up to not mimic a religion. Many members still attend a religious church in addition to the 12 step program. There is a chapter in the big book that’s called we agnostic’s. We do not mandate that you believe in a god of our understanding, just a higher power, however you choose to see him/her. and if you dont believe you dont get kicked out.
November 18th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion
Definitions 2 and 4 can, I think, be applied to some extent to the “12-Step Program”, although definition 2 is oddly circular, if you go by Mirriam-Webster’s definitions. It fits, at least, the semantic definition of “religion”. You and Marina both seem to assume that “religion” means something along the lines of the template laid down by the Judaic/Christian/Islamic faiths. Although those are all religions, they aren’t the be-all and end-all. Shinto and Buddhism in Japan, for instance, are both considered religions, but are “practiced” in a way very different from that of most western religions. Just because your belief structure doesn’t mimic the Judeo-Christian one doesn’t mean you aren’t a religion. In a way, the fact that your organization is based on belief is what makes your a religion.
Mirriam-Webster defines “religious” as “relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity” and I have difficulty seeing how that doesn’t apply to an organization which encourages belief in a power greater than one’s self by suggesting that this greater power can improve one’s life. That you choose not to “kick people out” who don’t choose to believe only reflects on how strict you are, not the nature of your organization.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Not sure if it’s strictly relevant, but for the next few days the sketch comedy troupe LoadingReadyRun are holding a videogame marathon for the Charity Child’s Play at desertbus.org.
If you could point some listeners in it’s direction I’d be very grateful.