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	<title>Comments on: ILL 203: Slapfight</title>
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		<title>By: Theremin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theremin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure if it&#039;s strictly relevant, but for the next few days the sketch comedy troupe LoadingReadyRun are holding a videogame marathon for the Charity Child&#039;s Play at desertbus.org.

If you could point some listeners in it&#039;s direction I&#039;d be very grateful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if it&#8217;s strictly relevant, but for the next few days the sketch comedy troupe LoadingReadyRun are holding a videogame marathon for the Charity Child&#8217;s Play at desertbus.org.</p>
<p>If you could point some listeners in it&#8217;s direction I&#8217;d be very grateful.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion

Definitions 2 and 4 can, I think, be applied to some extent to the &quot;12-Step Program&quot;, although definition 2 is oddly circular, if you go by Mirriam-Webster&#039;s definitions. It fits, at least, the semantic definition of &quot;religion&quot;. You and Marina both seem to assume that &quot;religion&quot; means something along the lines of the template laid down by the Judaic/Christian/Islamic faiths. Although those are all religions, they aren&#039;t the be-all and end-all. Shinto and Buddhism in Japan, for instance, are both considered religions, but are &quot;practiced&quot; in a way very different from that of most western religions. Just because your belief structure doesn&#039;t mimic the Judeo-Christian one doesn&#039;t mean you aren&#039;t a religion. In a way, the fact that your organization is based on belief is what makes your a religion.

Mirriam-Webster defines &quot;religious&quot; as &quot;relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity&quot; and I have difficulty seeing how that doesn&#039;t apply to an organization which encourages belief in a power greater than one&#039;s self by suggesting that this greater power can improve one&#039;s life. That you choose not to &quot;kick people out&quot; who don&#039;t choose to believe only reflects on how strict you are, not the nature of your organization.</description>
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<p>Definitions 2 and 4 can, I think, be applied to some extent to the &#8220;12-Step Program&#8221;, although definition 2 is oddly circular, if you go by Mirriam-Webster&#8217;s definitions. It fits, at least, the semantic definition of &#8220;religion&#8221;. You and Marina both seem to assume that &#8220;religion&#8221; means something along the lines of the template laid down by the Judaic/Christian/Islamic faiths. Although those are all religions, they aren&#8217;t the be-all and end-all. Shinto and Buddhism in Japan, for instance, are both considered religions, but are &#8220;practiced&#8221; in a way very different from that of most western religions. Just because your belief structure doesn&#8217;t mimic the Judeo-Christian one doesn&#8217;t mean you aren&#8217;t a religion. In a way, the fact that your organization is based on belief is what makes your a religion.</p>
<p>Mirriam-Webster defines &#8220;religious&#8221; as &#8220;relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity&#8221; and I have difficulty seeing how that doesn&#8217;t apply to an organization which encourages belief in a power greater than one&#8217;s self by suggesting that this greater power can improve one&#8217;s life. That you choose not to &#8220;kick people out&#8221; who don&#8217;t choose to believe only reflects on how strict you are, not the nature of your organization.</p>
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		<title>By: Jono</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

Its not a religion. It is a spiritual fellowship that was set up to not mimic a religion. Many members still attend a religious church in addition to the 12 step program. There is a chapter in the big book that&#039;s called we agnostic&#039;s. We do not mandate that you believe in a god of our understanding, just a higher power, however you choose to see him/her. and if you dont believe you dont get kicked out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>Its not a religion. It is a spiritual fellowship that was set up to not mimic a religion. Many members still attend a religious church in addition to the 12 step program. There is a chapter in the big book that&#8217;s called we agnostic&#8217;s. We do not mandate that you believe in a god of our understanding, just a higher power, however you choose to see him/her. and if you dont believe you dont get kicked out.</p>
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